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RIP ZIP
Posted by Marlow Harris under Real Estate
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A few months ago Zip Realty announced that it’s changing its agency model by transitioning the employment status of its real estate agents nationwide from employees to independent contractors.
This transition is described as a lay-off in the news, without much comment.
What does this transition in one company mean to the residential real estate industry?
The firm lost $15 million in the third quarter this last year, following a loss of $0.8 million during the same period last year. Because of losses, the firm decided to cut costs, including the benefits it has been giving to its agent. Employed agents have been receiving medical, dental and 401(k) benefits from the firm. When these employees become independent contractors, they will stop receiving these benefits.
Zip Realty hired agents as “employees” and gives a 20% real estate rebate to buyers and offers a less-than-standard listing fee to sellers. If they can’t make money doing this, what does this mean for the other major real estate employer, Redfin? Even though they claim to have reached profitability, I think they meant that for one month they actually brought in more than they spent. But to reach true profitability, they have to do that consistently, and I doubt they can do that by paying agents as employees (along with all the accompanying benefits) and giving back 50% of the commission to buyers. And at what rate would they be able to return any part of the $32M given to them by investors? Their angel investors can be paid dividend payments or profit sharing over time, but if there’s never any true profit then the only way they’re going to get their money back is when there is a liquidity event, either by being sold or having an initial public offering. But who would buy the business or the stock if there aren’t any profits? As Zip has found out, they cannot consistently make a profit by giving the “profit” back to the customers. In Redfin’s case, they’re not just refunding the profit, but actually giving their customers the angel investors money. It’s a massive money transfer and eventually the money will dry up. I predict they will move to a more traditional model in the next year because they cannot continue giving away their investors dough.
Russell Shaw wrote on Bloodhound Blog a few years ago about the problem with Zip Realty:
Here’s the problem the company has created, unsuccessful agents leave because they’re not making any money. Successful agents also leave because they’re not making enough money.
I think that statement is the simple truth of the problem with having employees v.s. agents.
To motivate, there must be a profit incentive. If there’s no profit, what’s the point of working? I ran across a Findwell blog post about trying to find an agent/employee for the business. The author complained about the quality of applications for employment at his firm. But who but the least successful or the least ambitious would be looking for a job like this? Everyone in the real estate business knows you have to work nights and weekends… who would want to do this unless highly compensated. And Findwell, like the others, refunds 50% of the profits back to the buyer. Yikes! I’d rather sell 10 houses at 3% commission than 20 houses at 1.5%. That’s just common sense.
As Russell pointed out, they’ve got to get rid of the rebate. The rebate is unnecessary.
Zip rebates about 20% of their gross commission to their home buyer customers. They provide a similar discount to home sellers. In my experience, the discount/rebate attracts buyers and sellers at the low end of the market. I sold houses for Zip and gave the required rebates. I also sold homes for traditional firms and never gave a rebate. Guess what happened when I stopped giving a rebate. My average home sales price went way up and so did my average revenue per transaction. Most of my leads were sourced online just like Zip’s so, this is a relevant comparison.
All three of these companies listed have great websites, and they all rebate. Yet, the companies that have the highest sales volume are the traditional firms which do not refund a percentage of the profits to their customers.
I think they should quit doing the rebate and just focus on good customer service and doing a good job for their customers and clients. It’s difficult to compete on price as there’s always someone more desperate and hungry than you are. Focus on exemplary customer service and reap the rewards.
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I’m not sure why more reporters and commentators didn’t pick up on this. What this means is the failure of the alternate business model, and it’s as much of an indictment of “employee agents” as it is on the rebate. There’s just not enough meat left on the bone to keep giving it away.
While researching redfin last week, because of the unpleasantness you caused over on the Seattle Bubble, I noticed redfin now offers an in home inspection to help prepare properties for sale. The commission to do that is now 1.5%. It looks like redfin is slowly climbing on being a full commission Brokerage with employees.
It just keeps getting tougher and tougher for agents to make money these days selling real estate. I wonder when this housing mess will ever straighten itself out?
It comes down to if your agents can not make a living they will leave and find somewhere where they can make a living.
I think with their new independant contractor model, Zip Realty will do much better in retention resultant from agent earning potential and provide more opportunity for productive agents.
I agree with you about rebates – they have their place, but in the end, if they cut too much into profits, how will you retain the qualified and *motivated* sales force to keep bringing in sales? It starts a death spiral – first you cut employees, then you cut profits for agents, and finally you watch as your profits dwindle because the backbone of your operation melts away.
It really boils down to common sense with profits. If you do not reward those which perform they will eventually leave. This is always paramount to a successful business.
I think this is a fine line to draw–being able to offer rebates to attract customers without drastically cutting into profits.
As an agent in Phoenix for the last 15 years I am not sorry to see them go by the wayside. I do feel for agents that have invested time and energy but I feel that Zip has contibuted to the whole idea the public has about agents should rebate commissions back to them. I for one deliver service and expertise and deserve to keep every bit I am paid
I just had a long talk with James Sorenson of John P. Nagle. They are both a discount, and flat fee Brokerage. He’s an attorney who has had that Brokerage since 1981.
He made a lot of really good observations about today’s Real Estate market place.
One thing he brought up was that in the Carter recession years of the 1980s Windermere actually raised commission rates from the 3.5% 1.75% above $100K to a straight 3%.
The way things are going we may be in for another rise in commissions with a falling price point of properties.
He and I also agree it is much harder to get a deal, and keep it together today. There’s just way too much amateur speculation, without enough experience.
Great post Marlow. I’ve been in the industry for 20 years. In that time I’ve seen many iterations of brokers come and go…mostly go. Success always boils down to one thing. Making contacts. By phone, belly to belly, or now through social media. It will never change. Don’t pay some broker to do it for you…it won’t happen.
I am all for competition and innovation when it comes to business and I applaud them for trying something new. Problem is that it is obviously not a model that works during slumps in the market.
Personally I am still here and selling homes up here in the Seattle area, primarily because I give better than average service and my past clients send me lots of referrals! I would hate to have to sit and wait for company leads to come in.
Thanks for the article and hope to read from you again. Great job Marlow.
That will not be a problem I think. Everyone wants to have transitions for the better. It will have a better name, employees to independent contractors. Though there is a big difference between the two I think it’s a lot better for the company.
Marlow, thanks for the thoughtful blog post and for bringing Zip’s new approach to working with their agents to my attention.
I think Zip’s problems go beyond merely paying salaries to agents and rebates – it’s that they tried to get salaried people to straddle the hounding of “leads” while building limited (no?) service for consumers besides a rebate that other agents could easily match.
Like many other companies in this industry, I think Zip lost sight of their ultimate client: the consumer.
I’ve been in Real Estate over 30 years, and watched Zip from its ipo. Zip is a lot more than ‘a discount broker’, as I see it. They have a super internet platform, lead unparalleled lead generationm incubation and cma systems. They seem are constantly looking for more and better tools for the consumer, I don’t doubt that for a second. You get some real estate people in that main office, and you are going to have a great real estate company in that space!
A payroll is the easiest expense to trim. If you have a lease signed on your office space, then you probably can’t do much to trim the cost of it overnight, but you can turn your employees to independent contractors, and not have to pay them a salary. Economics 101. Sad, but true.
Thanks for the information on ZIP’s passing. Unfortunately, a lot of companies have had to restructure their business model after the bubble burst.