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		<title>By: jack deed</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2008/11/10/redfin-bubble-to-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-37918</link>
		<dc:creator>jack deed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all markets return to the curve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all markets return to the curve.</p>
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		<title>By: David Lorti</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2008/11/10/redfin-bubble-to-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-37893</link>
		<dc:creator>David Lorti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really enjoying the news on Redfin and what is happening with it.  I don&#039;t believe any of the discount models out there really fully understand what has to be done to really drive a systemic change across the industry.  I enjoy the innovation and creativity but the current model of this business always gets back to the business is expensive to be in and non-steady so that commissions have to compensate for the valleys that are commensurate with the sales model and cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really enjoying the news on Redfin and what is happening with it.  I don&#8217;t believe any of the discount models out there really fully understand what has to be done to really drive a systemic change across the industry.  I enjoy the innovation and creativity but the current model of this business always gets back to the business is expensive to be in and non-steady so that commissions have to compensate for the valleys that are commensurate with the sales model and cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Pappalardo</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2008/11/10/redfin-bubble-to-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-37847</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Pappalardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So do I trust agents, yes - to make sure a transaction goes through and to make sure it complies with the law. Just not about the direction of the market.&quot;

Amen.  Although-- &quot;trust&quot; is a complicated word.  It&#039;s not that all realtors are liars (sup, guys), but the level of truthiness has to be a bit bent at times like these.

While there&#039;s an inherent contradiction to working for a real estate company and saying buying is useless, I don&#039;t think it signifies an ultimate turn against the industry.  Buying is useless in SOME situations and particular locations, but specificity is the key.  The generalizers are really missing both sides of the coin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So do I trust agents, yes &#8211; to make sure a transaction goes through and to make sure it complies with the law. Just not about the direction of the market.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amen.  Although&#8211; &#8220;trust&#8221; is a complicated word.  It&#8217;s not that all realtors are liars (sup, guys), but the level of truthiness has to be a bit bent at times like these.</p>
<p>While there&#8217;s an inherent contradiction to working for a real estate company and saying buying is useless, I don&#8217;t think it signifies an ultimate turn against the industry.  Buying is useless in SOME situations and particular locations, but specificity is the key.  The generalizers are really missing both sides of the coin.</p>
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		<title>By: TT</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2008/11/10/redfin-bubble-to-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-37827</link>
		<dc:creator>TT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marlow, David, et al - here is a challenge about the objectivity of real estate agents:  find a quote or blog post from a real estate agent from any point in the past two years that says &quot;even if you can, now is a bad time to buy&quot; or says &quot;prices will probably fall.&quot;  

Ok, now from that candidate list, how many of them are saying &quot;prices will fall in my market&quot; without implying or flat out saying &quot;but now is still a great time to buy.&quot;  

And if you do find one of these rare quotes, how long did it take you?

Agents get paid for closing a transaction, not for providing insight.  In this manner real estate agents are a lot like used car salesmen.

So do I trust agents, yes - to make sure a transaction goes through and to make sure it complies with the law.  Just not about the direction of the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marlow, David, et al &#8211; here is a challenge about the objectivity of real estate agents:  find a quote or blog post from a real estate agent from any point in the past two years that says &#8220;even if you can, now is a bad time to buy&#8221; or says &#8220;prices will probably fall.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Ok, now from that candidate list, how many of them are saying &#8220;prices will fall in my market&#8221; without implying or flat out saying &#8220;but now is still a great time to buy.&#8221;  </p>
<p>And if you do find one of these rare quotes, how long did it take you?</p>
<p>Agents get paid for closing a transaction, not for providing insight.  In this manner real estate agents are a lot like used car salesmen.</p>
<p>So do I trust agents, yes &#8211; to make sure a transaction goes through and to make sure it complies with the law.  Just not about the direction of the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Real Estate #117 &#187; Real Estate News Sphere</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2008/11/10/redfin-bubble-to-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-37783</link>
		<dc:creator>Carnival of Real Estate #117 &#187; Real Estate News Sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Harris presents Redfin Bubble to burst? posted at [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Real Estate #117 Winners &#124; Real Estate Magazine - Real Estate Opinion Column - AgentGenius</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2008/11/10/redfin-bubble-to-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-37782</link>
		<dc:creator>Carnival of Real Estate #117 Winners &#124; Real Estate Magazine - Real Estate Opinion Column - AgentGenius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Harris of Seattle, Washington takes 4th place for Redfin Bubble to Burst. Marlow is in the epicenter of the Redfin-induced real estate drama and always provides great [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mack McCoy</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2008/11/10/redfin-bubble-to-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-37662</link>
		<dc:creator>Mack McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Tim doesn’t stand make a dollar if the market goes one way or another. What about you?&lt;/i&gt;

In the grownup world of business, you find that people who stand to profit by selling something to you may, surprisingly, still provide the best advice.

To put it another way, just because someone is a disinterested observer doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that their advice has any value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Tim doesn’t stand make a dollar if the market goes one way or another. What about you?</i></p>
<p>In the grownup world of business, you find that people who stand to profit by selling something to you may, surprisingly, still provide the best advice.</p>
<p>To put it another way, just because someone is a disinterested observer doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that their advice has any value.</p>
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		<title>By: David Losh</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Losh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You see over on the Seattle Bubble there is an agenda, Real Estate agent bad, the Seattle Bubble good. radfun good, Real Estate professional commentary bad. 


As it happens radfun is an internet business model, and the Seattle Bubble is a internet business model. Hmmm?

Yes Real Estate agents work for free all the time. People want free advice, all the time. Many people to feel that the Seattle Bubble is a source of free advice about Real Estate matters. 

Real Estate agents provide data to buyers and sellers every day. It&#039;s all free until you get into an agency agreement. You are then provided representation in what has become a quarter to half million dollar transaction.

What happened in Real Estate is that everybody wanted a fun, stress free Real Estate transaction. People wanted the process of a Real Estate transaction to be transparent. 

People want the secrets of successful Real Estate buying and selling. 

I could start writing today and continue to write until the day I die and still not explain a Real Estate transaction.

Real Estate is a personal choice. There are rules and rules that get broken. I can think of a hundred ways to do a &quot;deal,&quot; today. My deal is different from what you want.

So, yes, I ramble. I try to explain, on a daily basis, but what people at the Seattle Bubble want is a discount. They are looking for something for nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see over on the Seattle Bubble there is an agenda, Real Estate agent bad, the Seattle Bubble good. radfun good, Real Estate professional commentary bad. </p>
<p>As it happens radfun is an internet business model, and the Seattle Bubble is a internet business model. Hmmm?</p>
<p>Yes Real Estate agents work for free all the time. People want free advice, all the time. Many people to feel that the Seattle Bubble is a source of free advice about Real Estate matters. </p>
<p>Real Estate agents provide data to buyers and sellers every day. It&#8217;s all free until you get into an agency agreement. You are then provided representation in what has become a quarter to half million dollar transaction.</p>
<p>What happened in Real Estate is that everybody wanted a fun, stress free Real Estate transaction. People wanted the process of a Real Estate transaction to be transparent. </p>
<p>People want the secrets of successful Real Estate buying and selling. </p>
<p>I could start writing today and continue to write until the day I die and still not explain a Real Estate transaction.</p>
<p>Real Estate is a personal choice. There are rules and rules that get broken. I can think of a hundred ways to do a &#8220;deal,&#8221; today. My deal is different from what you want.</p>
<p>So, yes, I ramble. I try to explain, on a daily basis, but what people at the Seattle Bubble want is a discount. They are looking for something for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody is perfectly unbiased, but The Tim is definitely more objective than any RE cheerleader I&#039;ve read.  In any case the data he uses to make his points is always made available for scrutiny and people can comment and ask questions on his blog and he will respond.  His commentary is generally very well supported by the data and when it isn&#039;t he will say up front that his conclusions are a best guess based on limited information.

It&#039;s strange that you would harbor such animosity for him, given that you stated in your post that SB readers aren&#039;t in the market for a home anyway.  If all he&#039;s doing is scaring away people that are already &quot;frightened&quot; then he&#039;s having zero effect on you and not worthy of your attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody is perfectly unbiased, but The Tim is definitely more objective than any RE cheerleader I&#8217;ve read.  In any case the data he uses to make his points is always made available for scrutiny and people can comment and ask questions on his blog and he will respond.  His commentary is generally very well supported by the data and when it isn&#8217;t he will say up front that his conclusions are a best guess based on limited information.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s strange that you would harbor such animosity for him, given that you stated in your post that SB readers aren&#8217;t in the market for a home anyway.  If all he&#8217;s doing is scaring away people that are already &#8220;frightened&#8221; then he&#8217;s having zero effect on you and not worthy of your attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Civil Servant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Civil Servant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tim profits from aggregating and disseminating information.  Real-estate agents profit on a per-transaction level.  This is a significant difference.  He has to keep proving his value to me over and over again, whereas my relationship with the person who sells me my house has a set end point.  If The Tim&#039;s analyses become dubious, I stop visiting his site, and so do a lot of other people, and eventually his ad rates go down and he loses credibility as a Redfin commentator and he will not have a viable business; poor Tim.  If a real-estate agent assures me that I can stretch to buy a house because its value will only increase, let&#039;s say, and several months later I&#039;m underwater and stuck -- well, poor me.  The agent&#039;s commission is already in the bank.

Do you sell real estate out of altruistic motives?  Would you do that work if you didn&#039;t get paid for it, like The Tim did in the site&#039;s very early days?  Under capitalism, eventually the market decides whose services are worth paying for.  For the time being, anyway, the market suggests that The Tim is a contender.  But the market continues to make room for you too, which is great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tim profits from aggregating and disseminating information.  Real-estate agents profit on a per-transaction level.  This is a significant difference.  He has to keep proving his value to me over and over again, whereas my relationship with the person who sells me my house has a set end point.  If The Tim&#8217;s analyses become dubious, I stop visiting his site, and so do a lot of other people, and eventually his ad rates go down and he loses credibility as a Redfin commentator and he will not have a viable business; poor Tim.  If a real-estate agent assures me that I can stretch to buy a house because its value will only increase, let&#8217;s say, and several months later I&#8217;m underwater and stuck &#8212; well, poor me.  The agent&#8217;s commission is already in the bank.</p>
<p>Do you sell real estate out of altruistic motives?  Would you do that work if you didn&#8217;t get paid for it, like The Tim did in the site&#8217;s very early days?  Under capitalism, eventually the market decides whose services are worth paying for.  For the time being, anyway, the market suggests that The Tim is a contender.  But the market continues to make room for you too, which is great.</p>
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