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	<title>Comments on: Inman TV: Scott v.s. Redfin Duet</title>
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		<title>By: The extinction of the pterosaur - If your goal is long-term profitability, skimming the surface can kill you. &#124; BloodhoundBlog: Real estate marketing and technology blog &#124; Realtors and real estate, mortgages, lending, investments</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2007/08/08/inman-tv-scott-vs-redfin-duet/comment-page-1/#comment-19105</link>
		<dc:creator>The extinction of the pterosaur - If your goal is long-term profitability, skimming the surface can kill you. &#124; BloodhoundBlog: Real estate marketing and technology blog &#124; Realtors and real estate, mortgages, lending, investments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 360-Marlow wrote last weekÂ about how Lennox Scott of John L. Scott Realty, speaking at the recent Inman Connect conference, &#8220;seemed unable to articulate why a commissioned sales person may be preferable to one paid on salary&#8221;. Well, let me give it a shot. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 360-Marlow wrote last weekÂ about how Lennox Scott of John L. Scott Realty, speaking at the recent Inman Connect conference, &#8220;seemed unable to articulate why a commissioned sales person may be preferable to one paid on salary&#8221;. Well, let me give it a shot. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: terry mcdonald</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2007/08/08/inman-tv-scott-vs-redfin-duet/comment-page-1/#comment-18932</link>
		<dc:creator>terry mcdonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too was surprised that Lennox didn&#039;t take up the difference between commission salesmen/women and salaried clerks. Inman was practically begging for it because it is at its core why Redfin won&#039;t work as a dominant force ANYWHERE.
Realtors are paid on commission because the work we do is hard, its done after hours, under pressures most folks behind a desk don&#039;t begin to comprehend.  If I&#039;m paid on a salary when its time to go home I&#039;m out the door. There may be 2.5% of the buy sides who are so simple that an order taker &quot;agent&quot; can handle it... but I believe time will show it will never be much higher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too was surprised that Lennox didn&#8217;t take up the difference between commission salesmen/women and salaried clerks. Inman was practically begging for it because it is at its core why Redfin won&#8217;t work as a dominant force ANYWHERE.<br />
Realtors are paid on commission because the work we do is hard, its done after hours, under pressures most folks behind a desk don&#8217;t begin to comprehend.  If I&#8217;m paid on a salary when its time to go home I&#8217;m out the door. There may be 2.5% of the buy sides who are so simple that an order taker &#8220;agent&#8221; can handle it&#8230; but I believe time will show it will never be much higher.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2007/08/08/inman-tv-scott-vs-redfin-duet/comment-page-1/#comment-18440</link>
		<dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 23:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marlow,

Thanks, when I heard the numbers I was confused.  I was not aware of any such figures either.  I wasn&#039;t going to bother putting them together but I&#039;m glad I saw them.

By the way it was great seeing you at Connect!

Glenn,  you did a great job on in the Duet in question. Congrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marlow,</p>
<p>Thanks, when I heard the numbers I was confused.  I was not aware of any such figures either.  I wasn&#8217;t going to bother putting them together but I&#8217;m glad I saw them.</p>
<p>By the way it was great seeing you at Connect!</p>
<p>Glenn,  you did a great job on in the Duet in question. Congrats.</p>
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		<title>By: david losh</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2007/08/08/inman-tv-scott-vs-redfin-duet/comment-page-1/#comment-18433</link>
		<dc:creator>david losh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Glenn!

My issue with you is your term that you have &quot;represented&quot; a client. This week I showed one of your buyers a house. An earlier offer they made through your company fell apart when they asked for a furnace to be replaced. It seemed to me that a work order from an inspection could have been negotiated, especially with a rebate on the table. 

What I believe is that your business model is based on getting paid money for sitting in an office, where a traditional agent goes out in the field to show property and engages the community. It appears to be a paper service set up to generate a Listing or Purchase and Sales Agreement. Is that kind of what it&#039;s like, or am I wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Glenn!</p>
<p>My issue with you is your term that you have &#8220;represented&#8221; a client. This week I showed one of your buyers a house. An earlier offer they made through your company fell apart when they asked for a furnace to be replaced. It seemed to me that a work order from an inspection could have been negotiated, especially with a rebate on the table. </p>
<p>What I believe is that your business model is based on getting paid money for sitting in an office, where a traditional agent goes out in the field to show property and engages the community. It appears to be a paper service set up to generate a Listing or Purchase and Sales Agreement. Is that kind of what it&#8217;s like, or am I wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Whitney</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2007/08/08/inman-tv-scott-vs-redfin-duet/comment-page-1/#comment-18431</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Whitney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting numbers.  Congratulations to Redfin for the great results on the buy side.  I just checked our closed sales stats for the same 10 cities.  Of course all of these numbers are subject to data entry error and aren&#039;t vouched for accuracy by the NWMLS.

For the period ending June 30, 2007, in those 10 cities our sellers closed 188 sales compared to Redfin&#039;s 99 (90% higher than Redfin).  For the same period for all areas served by the Northwest Multiple Listing Service for all property types, our sellers closed 544 sales compared to Redfin&#039;s 149 (265% higher than Redfin).  

Based on the press we get compared to other online brokerages, I think I need to fire myself as Communications Director!

Ken Whitney
General Manager
MLS4owners.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting numbers.  Congratulations to Redfin for the great results on the buy side.  I just checked our closed sales stats for the same 10 cities.  Of course all of these numbers are subject to data entry error and aren&#8217;t vouched for accuracy by the NWMLS.</p>
<p>For the period ending June 30, 2007, in those 10 cities our sellers closed 188 sales compared to Redfin&#8217;s 99 (90% higher than Redfin).  For the same period for all areas served by the Northwest Multiple Listing Service for all property types, our sellers closed 544 sales compared to Redfin&#8217;s 149 (265% higher than Redfin).  </p>
<p>Based on the press we get compared to other online brokerages, I think I need to fire myself as Communications Director!</p>
<p>Ken Whitney<br />
General Manager<br />
MLS4owners.com</p>
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		<title>By: Marlow Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlow Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Glenn,

Thanks for your input.  

It&#039;s apples and oranges.  You may have responded for that day or week or even month, but such a short period of time may be statistically insignificant in the long run.  My chart, attached to the post, compares two years of Redfinâ€™s market share in 10 Puget Sound cities from July 1, 2005 to Jun 30, 2006 and from Jul 1, 2006 to Jun 30, 2007, for sold units of single family homes and condos.  J.L. Scott data was for the year 2006.  I have not pulled data about their performance so far this year.  

And, yes, I know the Vulcan/John L. Scott partnership is old news, but I thought it interesting as it gave some perspective to your pairing with Lennox.

You are a formidable debate partner, my friend.  I enjoyed your presentations at Inman!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Glenn,</p>
<p>Thanks for your input.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s apples and oranges.  You may have responded for that day or week or even month, but such a short period of time may be statistically insignificant in the long run.  My chart, attached to the post, compares two years of Redfinâ€™s market share in 10 Puget Sound cities from July 1, 2005 to Jun 30, 2006 and from Jul 1, 2006 to Jun 30, 2007, for sold units of single family homes and condos.  J.L. Scott data was for the year 2006.  I have not pulled data about their performance so far this year.  </p>
<p>And, yes, I know the Vulcan/John L. Scott partnership is old news, but I thought it interesting as it gave some perspective to your pairing with Lennox.</p>
<p>You are a formidable debate partner, my friend.  I enjoyed your presentations at Inman!</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Kelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Kelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Marlow,
You may have mistook our efforts to be precise for hemming and hawing. Viewers can judge for themselves by consulting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inmantv.com/?p=56&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the video&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a&gt; 54 seconds in. On the basis of MLS data, we claimed to represent 2% of the buyers in the Seattle area, and &quot;much less&quot; of the sellers. According to the MLS, in June 2007, we represented 2.31% of buyers; in July 2007, we represented 2.06% of buyers. It is possible that our calculations include an error, so we have forwarded you the methodology for generating these results in the MLS, so you can confirm. If it turns out that you made an error, please correct it with the same prominence as your original post.

As you know from a previous exchange, Vulcan decided to use John L. Scott to list its properties prior to our even offering a listing service; as we also discussed, Redfin probably doesn&#039;t make sense for Vulcan, as we are not set up to market entire developments, and I&#039;m sure Paul Allen doesn&#039;t want to host his own open houses anyway. Redfin is a consumer service, not a corporate service.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marlow,<br />
You may have mistook our efforts to be precise for hemming and hawing. Viewers can judge for themselves by consulting <a href="http://www.inmantv.com/?p=56" rel="nofollow">the video</a><a> 54 seconds in. On the basis of MLS data, we claimed to represent 2% of the buyers in the Seattle area, and &#8220;much less&#8221; of the sellers. According to the MLS, in June 2007, we represented 2.31% of buyers; in July 2007, we represented 2.06% of buyers. It is possible that our calculations include an error, so we have forwarded you the methodology for generating these results in the MLS, so you can confirm. If it turns out that you made an error, please correct it with the same prominence as your original post.</p>
<p>As you know from a previous exchange, Vulcan decided to use John L. Scott to list its properties prior to our even offering a listing service; as we also discussed, Redfin probably doesn&#8217;t make sense for Vulcan, as we are not set up to market entire developments, and I&#8217;m sure Paul Allen doesn&#8217;t want to host his own open houses anyway. Redfin is a consumer service, not a corporate service.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Longo</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2007/08/08/inman-tv-scott-vs-redfin-duet/comment-page-1/#comment-18410</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Longo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did I miss you.  I was at Bloggers Connect (Thx to Pete Flint &amp; the Trulia party I was a little groggy).  Blogroll - your added (Other blogs we read)

Ciao!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did I miss you.  I was at Bloggers Connect (Thx to Pete Flint &amp; the Trulia party I was a little groggy).  Blogroll &#8211; your added (Other blogs we read)</p>
<p>Ciao!</p>
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		<title>By: Marlow Harris</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2007/08/08/inman-tv-scott-vs-redfin-duet/comment-page-1/#comment-18377</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlow Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was there... I spoke on a panel at the Bloggers Connect and stayed for the rest of the conference.  And I&#039;m glad I did.  Blogroll, yes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was there&#8230; I spoke on a panel at the Bloggers Connect and stayed for the rest of the conference.  And I&#8217;m glad I did.  Blogroll, yes!</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Longo</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2007/08/08/inman-tv-scott-vs-redfin-duet/comment-page-1/#comment-18364</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Longo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Marlow I didnt know you went to Inman SF.  I wish I had saw you there!!!  Anyway...next time.  Will you be @ Inman NYC?  Also, blogroll?  :)  Ciao</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marlow I didnt know you went to Inman SF.  I wish I had saw you there!!!  Anyway&#8230;next time.  Will you be @ Inman NYC?  Also, blogroll?  <img src='http://360digest.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Ciao</p>
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