Wed 18 Jul 2007
Summer sun shines on Redfin
Posted by Marlow Harris under Real Estate
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I think I’m just going to change the name of this blog to “Redfin Watch”….. Here I was, enjoying my lovely summer vacation, when I read the news of Redfin snagging another $12M in funding. I ran the latest numbers on Redfin, comparing them with Buy Side and a few other companies around the Puget Sound area and found 218 sales of SFR’s with an average sales price of $547K and 68 condos at an average sales price of $343K. I also found 194 listings sold.
Based on those figures, if we go on an average commission of solds of 3% and they’re keeping 1% of that, commissions received on solds would total $1,192,460 for SFR’s and $230,520 for condos. They’re charging $3K for each listing, so that would bring in another $582K, for a total of about $2M in commissions.
On the other hand, they have 34 sales agents listed in the Seattle area. I’m not sure what they’re paying them, but it’s got to be at least $40K a year, so that would be labor costs of $1.3M. Maybe a dozen tech people at a very conservative $50K a year. That’s another $600K. And let’s just say they pay their managers $300K a year….. Now we’re way over the $2M they’ve made so far…… I’m just not seeing how this is a viable business concern, but CEO Kelman doesn’t seem fazed. “So far, the business has been growing really well,” Kelman told Inman News. “All this concern about whether or not the model can make a profit hasn’t really been based on anything we’ve seen.” He also went on to say “It takes about six months for a new market to become profitable for Redfin”, but I’d be very interested to see which market is now profitable for him, in that the company brings in more money than it makes.
In John Cook’s post, he writes “Since its launch 17 months ago, more than 500 homes — valued at more than $350 million — have been bought and sold through Redfin.” So using those figures, if they’re keeping about 1%, they’ve made $3.5M, but that’s over the last 17 months, where my $2M figure is just from 1/1/07 until today. Cook pegs total Redfin employees at 75, which at a conservative average of $50K per employee (less for administrative, lots more for management), brings the yearly labor tab at $3,750,000, not counting other overhead and tech costs.
I thought we were going to have to wait until next weeks Naked Truth or the big Inman Connect conference in San Francisco to hear their news, but I guess the timing of the announcement allows him to now discuss his expansion into D.C. at greater length rather than performance of the markets they’re already in, such as Seattle, San Francisco and L.A.
I was surprised the champion of transparency didn’t discuss the sale of his own home and purchase of a smaller townhome in Seattle at greater length, like Rich Barton of Zillow did when he sold his house earlier this year. Not that it’s necessarily the public’s business, but using your own real estate company to sell your own house is interesting to readers and investors and certainly worth blogging about.
Redfin’s performance in the Seattle market has been excellent compared to Buyside’s entry (total sales for 2007 in Seattle: 0), and I expect that Seattle will continue to outperform any of the other markets, at least for a while. Redfin’s big news in Seattle because they’re based here and we have a high tech culture and focus. However, with no John Cook, venture blog or other champion of limited service realty in these additional cities of expansion, Kelman will have to find a new dancing partner to keep the beat and up the buzz he’s attained here.
Kelman is one of the speakers at the Real Estate Connect conference at the end of this month, as are Rich Barton and Craig Newmark and I look forward to meeting them and to hearing more about market trends in the real estate industry. If you’re coming to San Francisco, I’ll be speaking on the panel “Finding Your Voice” at Bloggers Connect. They say that personality is key to successful blogging, so we’ll be discussing methods to infuse color into a blog, even if Redfin hasn’t come to your city yet
Other panelists:
Ardell DellaLoggia, Associate Broker, Sound Realty
Philip Ferrato, Editor, Curbed SF
Drew Meyers, Community Relations Specialist, Zillow.com
15 Responses to “ Summer sun shines on Redfin ”
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[...] Marlow runs the numbers of Redfin and does not like what she sees… [...]
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[...] Good Grief, everyone took two Redfin pills and called themselves in the morning. Though my favorite of the bunch was Jonathan Dalton who announced Dalton’s Arizona Homes Secures $8.25 in Capital – Expansion in the Works The shady one didn’t disclose where the $8.25 came from though. Required Reading. [...]
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[...] They just closed a $12 Million series C round led by Draper Fisher Jurvetson, giving them close to $20 Million is total financing to date. Techcrunch reports the company is gearing up for war. Marlow Harris at 360Digest and Greg at BloodhoundBlog, on the other hand, posit the investment is needed just to keep the company afloat. [...]
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[...] There goes the neighborhood. A Redfin sign is on my street! July 21, 2007 Redfin got another $12 million in spending money from its venture capital masters this week. A lot of noise, speculation and jokes have been made in the old RE.net blogosphere about the old Redfiners this week. [...]


Marlow, I look forward to finding my voice with you at Inman!
Interesting points you make Marlow. Redfin is way out there on their business model. I hate to say it, but I think, given enough time, it will work, and the real estate industry will change.
Looking forward to the panel Marlow – should be a good time!
I’m just bummed that the panel I’m on is on at the same time as the one that you, Ardell and Drew are participating in.
Pardon me for interjecting reality into the Real Estate Industry but redfin has nothing to do with Real Estate. They are an internet business model. There is no transparency, representation, or participation in Real Estate transactions. redfin collects money from the internet.
If I can sit in my bath robe, in front of a computer screen, and collect money, I’m an internet genius. I deleted the high on crack part so I can fit in with the internet community. OK? I am trying to be good and not offend anyone.
It’s just a fact that the majority of these web-based business models are ran by low-level con men. I know they seem intellectually stimulating but they want something for nothing.
The Glenn guy at redfin is no worse than any other con man. He is scum, there is no doubt in my mind. He is dangerous to the public. He is funded by slime, this is just a fact of life. All in all though, he is what the internet aspires to.
David,
I think you should stop mincing words and tell us what you really think.
We all forget that at the start of the internet age some guy asked for a one dollar donation and received a million dollars. That must have been ten years ago or more. Even if it’s an urban legend that fact is that people are willing to send money to internet purverors.
We also forget that Amazon.com is selling cheap books for premium prices, and Expedia is booking thousands of crumby hotel rooms daily. The public loves a trend. The public makes trends into business as usual. Wal Mart prices keep climbing. They are supposed to be more cost effective due to volume. I think they are the most over priced store in the country. You get abuse for the priviledge of paying retail.
The public is thankful to pay retail because of the way over-blown pricing of Safeway. Please, let’s leave the made in Malaysia shirts from Nordstrom out of this. I can’t buy shirts any more. Between the buttons falling off, and the feel of the material, my skin crawls just sitting here
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Are you still paying four dollars for a cup of coffe? Can you believe that 7-11 is selling iced mochas?
The Glenn guy is looking at the back end and residual income. Every body in the tech industry knows that once the ball starts rolling people will pay attention. Look at the business redfin does already. It amazes me. People are so fed up with know-nothing Real Estate agents that they turn to this swindle in droves. You can ignore the fact the Real Estate industry is considered a much lower form of commerce than it ever was. The building industry is corrupted beyond my simple comprehension. I look at these houses, town houses, or condo projects and wonder who in thier right mind would pay a dollar for any one of them. Builders build deliberately cheap projects to maximize profits and people buy them. If you are going to enter into a transaction like that why not get no representation in the process?
Redfin is by far the most dangerous business I can think of. Cars, medical, or financial planning come to mind as very bad business but redfin steals the American Dream.
“It’s just a fact that the majority of these web-based business models are ran [sic] by low-level con men.”
Not being a low-level con man, I’m sure that comment was not directed at me. Still, it would be wise for real estate professionals to use caution when making comments that might be in violation of RCW 18.85.230(2). http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=18.85.230
Ken Whitney
General Manager
MLS4owners.com
It’s always interesting to track the progress of this.
Yes Ken these comments are directed at you. The fact you invoked the law makes it clear. I avoid your service. It’s not in my interest or any one’s to pursue a listing of your company’s. To buy, sell, or trade based on uninformed consent should be a crime.
It’s nice you got a plug here.