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		<title>By: Monthly Payment Only $505,654! &#124; Rain City Guide &#124; A Seattle Real Estate Blog...</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2007/02/09/thank-you-mr-kelman/comment-page-1/#comment-12962</link>
		<dc:creator>Monthly Payment Only $505,654! &#124; Rain City Guide &#124; A Seattle Real Estate Blog...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now that Move.com is talking about houses or sale, maybe we should all rethink that rule that says talking about properties for sale, when it is not your listing, is NOT ALLOWED!Â  Seems our own rules are going to leave us all biting the dust, now that Move.com and Trend Spot are taking the &#8220;If you can&#8217;t beat em; join em&#8221; stance. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now that Move.com is talking about houses or sale, maybe we should all rethink that rule that says talking about properties for sale, when it is not your listing, is NOT ALLOWED!Â  Seems our own rules are going to leave us all biting the dust, now that Move.com and Trend Spot are taking the &#8220;If you can&#8217;t beat em; join em&#8221; stance. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marlow Harris</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2007/02/09/thank-you-mr-kelman/comment-page-1/#comment-11993</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlow Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, actually it&#039;s almost their 4th year in business.  They brought Kelman in a year ago, changed their business plan and let go their founder last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, actually it&#8217;s almost their 4th year in business.  They brought Kelman in a year ago, changed their business plan and let go their founder last year.</p>
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		<title>By: John K</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2007/02/09/thank-you-mr-kelman/comment-page-1/#comment-11991</link>
		<dc:creator>John K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, 235 sales in the first full year of service, at an average of $475,000 per sale, or over $111 million in sales?

Is this good or bad?

In Boston, the top 10 firms throughout the entire city had sales of between $100 million and $215 million (spread out pretty evenly, in between).

I guess the question raised is (or, has been), how can they pay their programmers if they&#039;ve only collected $900,000 in commissions during the year, and are paying their real estate agents $70,000 annually.

Well, the short answer to that is two-fold: 1) did any of us make any money our first year in real estate or in any new business venture? (I would assume, no); and, 2) that&#039;s why they&#039;ve got venture cap money, to keep them from eating macaroni and cheese 24/7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, 235 sales in the first full year of service, at an average of $475,000 per sale, or over $111 million in sales?</p>
<p>Is this good or bad?</p>
<p>In Boston, the top 10 firms throughout the entire city had sales of between $100 million and $215 million (spread out pretty evenly, in between).</p>
<p>I guess the question raised is (or, has been), how can they pay their programmers if they&#8217;ve only collected $900,000 in commissions during the year, and are paying their real estate agents $70,000 annually.</p>
<p>Well, the short answer to that is two-fold: 1) did any of us make any money our first year in real estate or in any new business venture? (I would assume, no); and, 2) that&#8217;s why they&#8217;ve got venture cap money, to keep them from eating macaroni and cheese 24/7.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberta Murphy</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2007/02/09/thank-you-mr-kelman/comment-page-1/#comment-11939</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberta Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cece: Zip Realty is bleeding money, management and agents-- and will likely need CPR soon. Even savvy investors such as Paul Allen occasionally misplace their funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cece: Zip Realty is bleeding money, management and agents&#8211; and will likely need CPR soon. Even savvy investors such as Paul Allen occasionally misplace their funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Redfin: Rebel With A Cause? at sellsiusÂ° real estate blog</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2007/02/09/thank-you-mr-kelman/comment-page-1/#comment-11938</link>
		<dc:creator>Redfin: Rebel With A Cause? at sellsiusÂ° real estate blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was inspired by Marlow Harris&#8217; post, Thank you, Mr. Kelman and the upcoming Academy Awards. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was inspired by Marlow Harris&#8217; post, Thank you, Mr. Kelman and the upcoming Academy Awards. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jfsellsius</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2007/02/09/thank-you-mr-kelman/comment-page-1/#comment-11897</link>
		<dc:creator>jfsellsius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The outsider image worked for Marlon Brando, James Dean and many others. It creates an attractive mystique, at lease to Americans.  Plus, who doesn&#039;t root for the underdog?  Maybe it can work for real estate. Time will tell.

If Redfin is not profitable it would not make little sense to expand---I think that may be disinformation, useful in the art of war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The outsider image worked for Marlon Brando, James Dean and many others. It creates an attractive mystique, at lease to Americans.  Plus, who doesn&#8217;t root for the underdog?  Maybe it can work for real estate. Time will tell.</p>
<p>If Redfin is not profitable it would not make little sense to expand&#8212;I think that may be disinformation, useful in the art of war.</p>
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		<title>By: Cece Blase</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2007/02/09/thank-you-mr-kelman/comment-page-1/#comment-11847</link>
		<dc:creator>Cece Blase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In San Francisco, the Redfin&#039;s main competition would be Zip Realty. The agents receive itty-bitty bonuses for each transaction, and the buyers/sellers do lots of the legwork themselves.

The average length of experience for a Zip agent is 2 years. After that the good ones move on to become full commissioned Realtors or drop out of the business. 

We like to say that Zip Realty is fine for those who want to be a guinea pig for a newbie agent. They receive barely any training and are stymied by  questions like &quot;What are by-laws?&quot; (Answer according to one Zip agent: &quot;Uh, I guess it means &#039;by the law. . .&#039;)

In slower markets, Zip sellers suffer from lack of showings because traditional buyers&#039; agents would rather show a house listed by someone with more expertise. In a hotter market, Zip buyers suffer from a lack of guidance in handling multiple offers.

That being said, Zip has hung on, mostly by adapting its business model over time from salaried to bonus-only agents and taking away their perks like company cars. 

As for the rebel buyer or selelr who wants to supposedly &#039;think out of the box?&#039; I think I&#039;ll pass on those kinds of clients-- they are more often&#039;lookers&#039; instead of buyers, and have a quality of arrogance I find difficult to stomach.

There-- my two cents. Cool site, BTW. Liked your tips on how to bid in a competitive situation-- important info for us here in San Francisco right now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In San Francisco, the Redfin&#8217;s main competition would be Zip Realty. The agents receive itty-bitty bonuses for each transaction, and the buyers/sellers do lots of the legwork themselves.</p>
<p>The average length of experience for a Zip agent is 2 years. After that the good ones move on to become full commissioned Realtors or drop out of the business. </p>
<p>We like to say that Zip Realty is fine for those who want to be a guinea pig for a newbie agent. They receive barely any training and are stymied by  questions like &#8220;What are by-laws?&#8221; (Answer according to one Zip agent: &#8220;Uh, I guess it means &#8216;by the law. . .&#8217;)</p>
<p>In slower markets, Zip sellers suffer from lack of showings because traditional buyers&#8217; agents would rather show a house listed by someone with more expertise. In a hotter market, Zip buyers suffer from a lack of guidance in handling multiple offers.</p>
<p>That being said, Zip has hung on, mostly by adapting its business model over time from salaried to bonus-only agents and taking away their perks like company cars. </p>
<p>As for the rebel buyer or selelr who wants to supposedly &#8216;think out of the box?&#8217; I think I&#8217;ll pass on those kinds of clients&#8211; they are more often&#8217;lookers&#8217; instead of buyers, and have a quality of arrogance I find difficult to stomach.</p>
<p>There&#8211; my two cents. Cool site, BTW. Liked your tips on how to bid in a competitive situation&#8211; important info for us here in San Francisco right now!</p>
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		<title>By: Charleston Real Estate Blog</title>
		<link>http://360digest.com/2007/02/09/thank-you-mr-kelman/comment-page-1/#comment-11534</link>
		<dc:creator>Charleston Real Estate Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marlow, I&#039;m curious as to why the west coast crowd doesn&#039;t write about Barry Diller&#039;s realestate.com. It would seem that even though redfin backer Paul Allen has a lot of lot of money, IAC has serious dollars at their disposal. http://www.charlestononlinehomes.com/blogs/howard_arnoff/archive/2007/02/13/realestate-com-expands.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marlow, I&#8217;m curious as to why the west coast crowd doesn&#8217;t write about Barry Diller&#8217;s realestate.com. It would seem that even though redfin backer Paul Allen has a lot of lot of money, IAC has serious dollars at their disposal. <a href="http://www.charlestononlinehomes.com/blogs/howard_arnoff/archive/2007/02/13/realestate-com-expands.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.charlestononlinehomes.com/blogs/howard_arnoff/archive/2007/02/13/realestate-com-expands.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Al Block,abr,gri,sres,qsc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Block,abr,gri,sres,qsc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked at RedFin&#039;s site and it seems to me that the only agents you see are very young.  I was an okay agent when I was younger, but now after 18 years and over 700 plus home sales, I have the skills to make and save my clients money.  The site says their agents are experienced with 25+ home sales (that is not per year, that is career).

I approached their site (the only shop they&#039;ve got) and I hated it.  It would not let me change out of the &quot;San Francisco&quot; area.  I tried--wouldn&#039;t work for me.  I then did a home search on my local zip code in Detroit, still put me back into San Francisco.  I&#039;m pretty computer savvy and it frustrated me real quick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at RedFin&#8217;s site and it seems to me that the only agents you see are very young.  I was an okay agent when I was younger, but now after 18 years and over 700 plus home sales, I have the skills to make and save my clients money.  The site says their agents are experienced with 25+ home sales (that is not per year, that is career).</p>
<p>I approached their site (the only shop they&#8217;ve got) and I hated it.  It would not let me change out of the &#8220;San Francisco&#8221; area.  I tried&#8211;wouldn&#8217;t work for me.  I then did a home search on my local zip code in Detroit, still put me back into San Francisco.  I&#8217;m pretty computer savvy and it frustrated me real quick.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Roberta,

Redfin already has a mortgage lending division. They were advertising for mortgage lending employees months ago and their mortgage affiliated business arrangement is up and running.  Although I&#039;m fairly certain it would not be the profit center for the whole company. The premise is the same: Transparency to the consumer. There is no place to hide extra profits for a mortgage broker. All fees if you&#039;re a mortgage broker, have to be disclosed on the Good Faith Estimate and corresponding HUD 1 Settlement Statement.

Hi Darla,

We would then see how the invisible hand of the market deals with Redfin. If a company doesn&#039;t treat customers well, the company will not be able to grow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roberta,</p>
<p>Redfin already has a mortgage lending division. They were advertising for mortgage lending employees months ago and their mortgage affiliated business arrangement is up and running.  Although I&#8217;m fairly certain it would not be the profit center for the whole company. The premise is the same: Transparency to the consumer. There is no place to hide extra profits for a mortgage broker. All fees if you&#8217;re a mortgage broker, have to be disclosed on the Good Faith Estimate and corresponding HUD 1 Settlement Statement.</p>
<p>Hi Darla,</p>
<p>We would then see how the invisible hand of the market deals with Redfin. If a company doesn&#8217;t treat customers well, the company will not be able to grow.</p>
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